On the latest episode of the Broken Record Podcast with Malcolm Gladwell, they cue to an interview with Justin Vernon and producer Chris Messina from Bon Iver as they hang with legendary producer Rick Rubin.

They chat about Bon Iver’s latest LP, i,i which was a title inspired by Bob Marley. They talk about his history as a songwriter, how Bon Iver was created after he spent a winter recording and watching the 90’s cult classic TV show, Northern Exposure. Justin also goes all-in on his deep love for the Indigo Girls.

Listen to it here or below.